"collective conscience of the body of elders".
WTF?
remember this and other threads a few months back, on the subject that some kingdom halls in chile acquiesced to govt rules that every building should display the national flag on the day of celebration?.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/262505/kingdom-hall-chile-has-national-flag?size=20&page=1.
many of us here and around the net, calling on our dub experiences cried "never would that happen!
"collective conscience of the body of elders".
WTF?
uh, i'm speechless... is this the same religion against tight pants, colored socks, df etc...?.
i think i'm in two religions... .
this video also looks very familiar, did they steal something from the apostates?
Oh wow. That is a trip.
I can guarantee this could not have been made without someones go ahead. they are in offices, and the floor overseers and home elders would have to give the OK.
Well good for them I guess. A little behind the general zeitgeist (weren't Happy videos going down like a year ago?), but good for them.
Most disturbing? the scene from the kill floor with the upsidedown pigs.
http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/.
on january 6, 2015, the paso robles police department in california charged a jehovahs witness, steven martin lindhorst, 51, with the following offenses:.
lewd act with a child under 14 years of age (felony), possession of child pornography (felony), possession of explicit child pornography (felony), posting intimate photos of another without consent (misdemeanor).
Sheesh. At least someone in his family turned him in. I don't want to jump to conclusions and implicate the branch or the people in the congregation. As of now we don't know enough to know if he abused anyone physically, or used his position to do so. But it would of course not surprise me.
What a sick bastard. Child porn. Just the worst of the worst.
i have a friend who is an eldub and he just completed elder's school!
what did he learn?
as far as i can tell, he learned:.
Elders schools is another opportunity to indoctrinate those who will indoctrinate others. You also throw another "special privilege" their way in having this school.
Don't forget how special you are elders. Stars in the hand of Christ! Chieftains in the new world!
from (the source) 2015, january 13, boe.. .. .
.. .. atlantis!.
Hilarious.
We aren't encouraging individuals to pursue higher education in order to help......BUT.....if you happened to do so, come and join us at Gods house!
I also think its interesting that the BOE is asked to use discretion in approaching people in the hall. Wasn't there just another letter asking for graphic designers read aloud to the KH?
How bizarre.
and joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.
that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.
that would be sex, with condoms.
Honestly Simon I think having ARS around is fantastic. He/she refuses to engage in actual discussion and with the level of vitriol spewing it serves as a fine witness.
Crimes against grammar will continue as long as I am here. I will see to it!
Oubillette, I almost spit out my water.
hey everyone, this is my first post.
i was contacted by the witnesses in1965, baptized in that same year at age 15. i was appointed an elder in 1975 and served as an elder for 20 years..
it hasnt been long since i learn ttatt and when i totally woke up.
Wow John. You cam in here with some fire!
I won't lie....your story is hard to believe at times. But I am happy for your escape, and hope you find peace in continuing to know you are not "loosing it".
All hail J!
i find that when talking people who say they "used to be a jehovah's witness" they say words that show they have in fact, never been one.
it's like a man that worked for the post office for 30 years in a main major urban hub like chicago or new york... and you ask him, "in your last position, what was your rdo?
" and the man says "whats an rdo?".
and joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.
that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.
that would be sex, with condoms.
Oubliette........I make no claims of spelling prowess.
I will however brothel accept the counsel. If we need to form a comitee I ask it be Simon, Cofty, and yourself. Chaserious can be an alternate.
I repent.
Wait....you people are apostates!? Why didn't anyone tell me so!
i find that when talking people who say they "used to be a jehovah's witness" they say words that show they have in fact, never been one.
it's like a man that worked for the post office for 30 years in a main major urban hub like chicago or new york... and you ask him, "in your last position, what was your rdo?
" and the man says "whats an rdo?".
ARS,
Oh my. Spanking the bees nest a bit again are we? There have been multiple others who come on here, throw up a few rude posts calling people stupid etc..., all the while not realizing the irony since they are not exactly winning anyone back to the faith with sarcasm.
I was raised a JW. I was disfellowshipped once when I was a teenager. Messed around with a girl. I was heartbroken. We stopped our relationship and I refused to go to college so I could pioneer. I felt I had some make up to do. I was one of the guys going out in service by themselves to be able to make my time.
I pioneered for a couple years. I stopped to go to trade school. After that i worked. I moved around with a couple friends. One of which went to MTS school. he had a special assignment so I accompanied him as his roomate. As I got older, and some time passed between me and the stain on my record, I was able to receive more "privileges" in the congregation. Eventually I met a pioneer sister and we married. We made it a goal to serve in a foreign country for at least a year, and we did. We saved all we had, left our home and jobs, and were need greaters. By that time I was an MS. In a small remote congregation I was used as an Elder, though I was not one officially.
Fast forward a few years, the brick that toppled for me first was our incredible hubris with the blood doctrine. I worked with it for a while, and tried to stay in for the good. I began learning Koine Greek, a little biblical Hebrew (just the basics mind you), and began to engage in apologetics back when you could find JW's on the internet defending our faith.
In doing so, while I was arguing against the Trinity and other minutia, my conscience was bothering me regarding blood, bloodguilt, and now I was about to have a baby. I allowed myself to research and think differently. I took concerns and thoughts to the elders, who not only could not answer the questions, but treated me harshly. it was then I realized I had been lied to. Not on purpose neccesarily, but I had been lied to.
I stopped wasting my life. I am still figuring out exactly what I thinkadn feel, but I am able to do so free of the negatives associated with "group think" and the obvious contradictions from the leadership. I am sure you see them.
I am happy to report my wife now has recently stopped attending. we do so knowing we will lose almost all of our family, as they have told us very directly they would shun us.....despite there being no sin (at least no more than usual).
Now.......was I as you put it.....a "REAL" JW? The realest.
May I ask to the point of your post bit further? I am genuinely trying to figure out what your premise was.